Comments on Pragmatic Pundit: America the Crazy

Take another drink of the koolaid, anon. You'll b...

2009-09-15T11:14:07.618-07:00

Take another drink of the koolaid, anon. You'll be fine.

Omitting and misrepresenting facts - the old media does daily. I can refute each of your lame claims, but I don't make a habit of talking to walls.

The 9/12 march was only the beginning.

I don't have a lot of time to play today, but I'll...

2009-09-12T15:15:43.860-07:00

I don't have a lot of time to play today, but I'll at least join the fun here for a little while.

1. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It was Bin Laden, who is a religious nut, and a conflation of his relationship with Saddam (a secularist) that never existed. It was Bush who used language about crusades, and the like. Inappropriate. No one disputed fighting the Taliban and Afghanistan as a just war. Give up the lies already.

2. Are you seriously going to think I have forgotten that the Bush Administration never counted things like supplementals for the war, and other hidden costs, whereas Obama has been transparent on the same issues? Please. And let's not forget that we never saw George W. Bush veto these so-called spending increases. The facts are that we had a surplus with Clinton, but with Bush, we suddenly have a deficit. You can't say that because 2 of those 14 years had a Democratic majority, that this was the reason for the slippage. You CAN make a much more clear argument that the war, tax cuts, and an inappropriate attention to spending led to such a reversal of fortune. Yet it was the Democrats, who were out of power in all branches of government, and out of the Presidency during 2001-2008, that are at fault? Nice try.

3. About the politicians caught with their pants down--I reiterate, it is only one party that seems interested in preaching the "holier than thou" philosophy on values. For every Monica there's an Ensign or Sanford. For every Barney Frank, there's a Mark Foley. The difference? Barney's not out there preaching family values. Clinton's not out there calling for Ensign or Sanford or Vitter's resignations, or starting impeachment proceedings.

4. Your point on death panels (inaccurate), abortion in the health plan (inaccurate), and illegal immigrants receiving health care (inaccurate) don't get truer just because you say them louder. Just saying "Obama lies", doesn't make it so.

5. Oh, by the way, I got a tax cut. I don't make more than $250k. I got it back in April. And you know what? It was great! It went to barely cover the 15% increase in my health care premiums! My premiums have gone up 125% in the past 6 years (I checked). My paycheck hasn't (although I've done pretty well in that time...). So let's keep on NOT passing health care reform. Spare me the lines like "Republicans want reform" They had 14 years in the majority to pass something. All we got was Medicare Part D, which has been the biggest example of the fraud, waste and abuse (drug company subsidies, anyone?). Brand R had 14 years to get all their favorites done (sell insurance across state lines? where were you all this time? Again, suddenly, Reps found religion in the Minority? Tort reform? Obama put it on the table, if the Republicans signed onto the health plan with a public option. Not good enough? You had 6 years where you controlled the government. Where were you then? I guess Terri Schiavo was too important. But Conservatives don't believe in meddling in peoples affairs. That would be trampling on the constitution...)

And, heaven forbid, we get a healthcare bill that eliminates pre-existing condition restrictions. As if a family of 4 with a wife who has had cancer, or a son with autism should preclude them from ever getting insurance. You can say what you want about America. A country that would Deny coverage to that family isn't the America I know.

I do like your line about Conservatives governing successfully for the majority of our history. Any of those guys still alive? Yeah, that's what I thought. What are you going to do, try to revive William Howard Taft? These great icons of conservative thought--Reagan, Goldwater, Buckley, Thurmond--none of them are coming back. The current crop (and who would that be, anyway? Palin? Huckabee? Gingrich? I'm not sure you want McConnell or Boehner as your conservative poster children...) of leaders are a little scary.

Perhaps I'll have to see how Glenn Beck's 9 12 project march goes...

TRF - OK, I'll ignore your attempt at cynicism, an...

2009-09-11T20:27:04.037-07:00

TRF - OK, I'll ignore your attempt at cynicism, and try to present some facts. I posted as Anon, and I do respect your opinion. But, funny thing about facts, they always get in the way of idealistic theocracy and philosophy (liberalism).

"It was the Conservatives who brought us a holy war in Iraq." No, it was the Islamic terrorists who brought the war to us - exactly 8 years ago today. Shame on you for forgetting 9/11. It hasn't happened since then - yet...

"It was the Conservatives who ran up trillions in national debt, but have suddenly found religion on fiscal responsibility." Eh, ya, but wrong again in the larger picture. Yes, Bush was blatantly irresponsible in wasteless spending, but the debt increased exponentially from 06 to 08, when Dems took over the Legislature, and Dems love to spend - fact. Debt is the accumulation of deficits, and deficits are the real culprit. The deficit in 08 was $400B. Obama's 09 deficit is projected at $1.9T - quadrupled from 08... And it will get worse.

"It is Conservatives who espouse family values, yet get caught with their pants down (I concede both parties get caught frequently in this position. Only one party claims to be better than all that, however)." Yes, there have been Conservatives who have disgraced America and their families. Do you have any examples - other than Clinton with Monica, or Edwards with his baby, or Barney Frank with his boys?

"Why don't you elaborate on all these rights that the government has taken away from you in the past 9 months?" This would take way too long, and likely beyond your comprehension. Let's just say our Constitution, Amendments and Bill of Rights are under tremendous assault. The Constitution is about Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happines, not death (abortion, death panels), Tyranny (Socialism, Marxism), and the Pursuit of HealthCare.

"Perhaps it was the right to higher taxes, since we have only gotten tax CUTS since 1/20/09. Or perhaps it was Bush's TARP plan that you are referring to. I'm confused." Sorry, there have been no tax cuts this year - unless you're delusional, no tax cuts will ever take place under an Obama Administration. I AGREE - Bush's TARP plan was pathetic. However, Obama's spending will destroy our county. And you're right, you are confused... sorry.

"Conservatives talk a good game, but in the end, can't govern, can't walk the walk, and seem only able to rally a mob, and scream "liar". Is THAT the country that you want back?"

Conservatives can govern, and have done so successfully for the majority of our country's history. The Republicans in recent years didn't govern as Conservatives, they governed as liberal, tax and spend politicians. They sucked. The "mob" is America, the people that made this country great. "Liar" was justified, as the Obama and the liberals have lied and misled America, while calling us every name in the book. Sticks and stones...

The country I (and America) want back is the country that made us great. Personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, adherence to the Constitution and an understanding that the Government works for the people. I won't push a belief in God, but he offers a good base. And then some.

I do respect your opinion, I hope you respect the facts.

yadda, yadda, yadda. Enough Conservative clap tra...

2009-09-11T15:24:06.096-07:00

yadda, yadda, yadda. Enough Conservative clap trap. It was the Conservatives who brought us a holy war in Iraq. It was the Conservatives who ran up trillions in national debt, but have suddenly found religion on fiscal responsibility. It is Conservatives who espouse family values, yet get caught with their pants down (I concede both parties get caught frequently in this position. Only one party claims to be better than all that, however).
Why don't you elaborate on all these rights that the government has taken away from you in the past 9 months?

Perhaps it was the right to higher taxes, since we have only gotten tax CUTS since 1/20/09. Or perhaps it was Bush's TARP plan that you are referring to. I'm confused.

Conservatives talk a good game, but in the end, can't govern, can't walk the walk, and seem only able to rally a mob, and scream "liar". Is THAT the country that you want back?

The majority of Americans want LESS Goverment - no...

2009-09-11T14:49:38.505-07:00

The majority of Americans want LESS Goverment - not more.

Corruption is rampant on all State and Federal levels of Government.
Government's primary responsibilites are to protect us and to protect our rights within the Constitution - not take over every aspect of our life.

Liberals have forced idealistic philosophies upon education and our court system, distancing America from the Constitution of our Founding Fathers. We need Government to protect our existing rights - not make up rights they want to impose upon us.

The more that utopianism is coerced upon us, the more you'll see "angry Americans" rallying "I want my Country back".

You haven't seen anything yet.